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		<title>By: pp Gates</title>
		<link>http://www.cdrum.com/2008/07/01/beijing-weather-getting-annoying/comment-page-1/#comment-10263</link>
		<dc:creator>pp Gates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 10:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there seems to be two daniellerenees out there,    our girl is  www.cdbaby.com          ppg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there seems to be two daniellerenees out there,    our girl is  <a href="http://www.cdbaby.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.cdbaby.com</a>          ppg</p>
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		<title>By: pp gates</title>
		<link>http://www.cdrum.com/2008/07/01/beijing-weather-getting-annoying/comment-page-1/#comment-10260</link>
		<dc:creator>pp gates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 02:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>check Danielles website    www.daniellerenee.com   she doesn&#039;t seem to be able to make it over here but maybe in bejing or hong kong? I remember years ago that there were singers that couldn&#039;t make it in america and they made it big in europe.  just a thought. maybe the orient is america friendly artwise if not politically.  ppg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>check Danielles website    <a href="http://www.daniellerenee.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.daniellerenee.com</a>   she doesn&#8217;t seem to be able to make it over here but maybe in bejing or hong kong? I remember years ago that there were singers that couldn&#8217;t make it in america and they made it big in europe.  just a thought. maybe the orient is america friendly artwise if not politically.  ppg</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://www.cdrum.com/2008/07/01/beijing-weather-getting-annoying/comment-page-1/#comment-7497</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So it&#039;s not just my luck then...in fact I feel reasonably fortunate after reading some of the tales of woe! Yesterday flying from Shenzhen the official reason for a 3-hour delay (thankfully before boarding) varied between &quot;adverse weather conditions&quot; to &quot;the delay is due to the delay of the aircraft [sic]&quot; It&#039;s difficult to believe what really happens...apparently a Shanghai to BJ flight was hit so badly by turbulence that it had to divert to Tianjin - yet my flight around the same time was very smooth. T3 needs to get itself together very soon though;even a simple thing like getting a shuttle bus into the city can be made to feel like a desperate attempt to get out of town before the typhoon hits, with people jostling for tickets (no queues in China of course) and overwhelming a ticket girl who was using a baggage trolley as a desk. A final funny note...the shuttle bus driver from Shenzhen city to the airport actually managed to get lost on the way. turning a 40-minute trip into a trip that lasted over 2 hours. So you never know; in future a delay may be announced &quot;due to the late arrival of the shuttle bus&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it&#8217;s not just my luck then&#8230;in fact I feel reasonably fortunate after reading some of the tales of woe! Yesterday flying from Shenzhen the official reason for a 3-hour delay (thankfully before boarding) varied between &#8220;adverse weather conditions&#8221; to &#8220;the delay is due to the delay of the aircraft [sic]&#8221; It&#8217;s difficult to believe what really happens&#8230;apparently a Shanghai to BJ flight was hit so badly by turbulence that it had to divert to Tianjin &#8211; yet my flight around the same time was very smooth. T3 needs to get itself together very soon though;even a simple thing like getting a shuttle bus into the city can be made to feel like a desperate attempt to get out of town before the typhoon hits, with people jostling for tickets (no queues in China of course) and overwhelming a ticket girl who was using a baggage trolley as a desk. A final funny note&#8230;the shuttle bus driver from Shenzhen city to the airport actually managed to get lost on the way. turning a 40-minute trip into a trip that lasted over 2 hours. So you never know; in future a delay may be announced &#8220;due to the late arrival of the shuttle bus&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.cdrum.com/2008/07/01/beijing-weather-getting-annoying/comment-page-1/#comment-7466</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 00:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gerhard, I am slowing beginning to accept 2 hours as normal.  My same friend I mentioned above who had issues SHA to PEK a couple of weeks ago had a similar experience last night, except this time, Xi&#039;an to Beijing - also, on the plane for several hours, then flight canceled.  !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gerhard, I am slowing beginning to accept 2 hours as normal.  My same friend I mentioned above who had issues SHA to PEK a couple of weeks ago had a similar experience last night, except this time, Xi&#8217;an to Beijing &#8211; also, on the plane for several hours, then flight canceled.  !!</p>
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		<title>By: Gerhard</title>
		<link>http://www.cdrum.com/2008/07/01/beijing-weather-getting-annoying/comment-page-1/#comment-7457</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerhard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly, I do not know why anyone complains about a 1-2 hours delay, only. That is sipmly &quot;standard&quot;, in China.

Friday last week, I was book on a CA-flight for departure 18:00 from Shanghai to Beijing. We boarded at about 19:00, and then I could watch two full movies in the plane, till we took of at about midnight, I could watch a third movie, and we arrived in BeJi at 02:30. - In total about the same time as from Europe to China, but only one meal served.

A few weeks ago the same from Shenzhen to Beji, 2h delay before boarding, and then more than 4 hours in the plane on groud, but WITH AIRCON switched OFF! - I like sauna, but not for 4 hours and sharing it with 200 people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly, I do not know why anyone complains about a 1-2 hours delay, only. That is sipmly &#8220;standard&#8221;, in China.</p>
<p>Friday last week, I was book on a CA-flight for departure 18:00 from Shanghai to Beijing. We boarded at about 19:00, and then I could watch two full movies in the plane, till we took of at about midnight, I could watch a third movie, and we arrived in BeJi at 02:30. &#8211; In total about the same time as from Europe to China, but only one meal served.</p>
<p>A few weeks ago the same from Shenzhen to Beji, 2h delay before boarding, and then more than 4 hours in the plane on groud, but WITH AIRCON switched OFF! &#8211; I like sauna, but not for 4 hours and sharing it with 200 people.</p>
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		<title>By: bezdomny ex patria &#187; Blog Archive &#187; T3</title>
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		<dc:creator>bezdomny ex patria &#187; Blog Archive &#187; T3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 02:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of T3 a couple of times now and seems quite happy with it. Still, in the interests of fairness, not everybody is as impressed with T3 as I was.  But I liked what I saw.  Posted in life in Beijing [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of T3 a couple of times now and seems quite happy with it. Still, in the interests of fairness, not everybody is as impressed with T3 as I was.  But I liked what I saw.  Posted in life in Beijing [...]</p>
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		<title>By: melanie gao</title>
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		<dc:creator>melanie gao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 00:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve wondered too if all this rain is completely natural.  I&#039;m so curious to see what happens to the air on July 20, which presumably is when most of the Olympic action should start up.  

And I&#039;m flying to Hong Kong next week so thanks for the heads up, I&#039;ll be prepared for possible delays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve wondered too if all this rain is completely natural.  I&#8217;m so curious to see what happens to the air on July 20, which presumably is when most of the Olympic action should start up.  </p>
<p>And I&#8217;m flying to Hong Kong next week so thanks for the heads up, I&#8217;ll be prepared for possible delays.</p>
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		<title>By: Ira</title>
		<link>http://www.cdrum.com/2008/07/01/beijing-weather-getting-annoying/comment-page-1/#comment-7427</link>
		<dc:creator>Ira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes T3 has gone to shits.  In the second half of last year I flew at least once a month and never any delays to/from T2.  Yet another example of 80/20 the wrong way around.  And weather is just compounding this.  I could add another two flights this week to your running list of delayed flights.  HoweverI don&#039;t really think it&#039;s the weather most of the time either.  It&#039;s a very convenient excuse to blame the weather or even Beijing (aside, flying first class on UA means you get first class ignorant y--ks. Oh that&#039;s for another story).  

The real reason for all these delays is that the local ground &amp; air control are inept at responding to and adjusting to things out of the norm.  Adjusting schedules, pulling things in, making decisions based on information at hand - don&#039;t even ask for this.  But really, would you trust them if they did this?

Sigh..love &amp; hate.  Such is this city.  Hey ranting on this blog has made me feel somewhat better.  Not as good as wings and beer.  But better none the less.  Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes T3 has gone to shits.  In the second half of last year I flew at least once a month and never any delays to/from T2.  Yet another example of 80/20 the wrong way around.  And weather is just compounding this.  I could add another two flights this week to your running list of delayed flights.  HoweverI don&#8217;t really think it&#8217;s the weather most of the time either.  It&#8217;s a very convenient excuse to blame the weather or even Beijing (aside, flying first class on UA means you get first class ignorant y&#8211;ks. Oh that&#8217;s for another story).  </p>
<p>The real reason for all these delays is that the local ground &amp; air control are inept at responding to and adjusting to things out of the norm.  Adjusting schedules, pulling things in, making decisions based on information at hand &#8211; don&#8217;t even ask for this.  But really, would you trust them if they did this?</p>
<p>Sigh..love &amp; hate.  Such is this city.  Hey ranting on this blog has made me feel somewhat better.  Not as good as wings and beer.  But better none the less.  Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 07:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha! New airport and I guess they forgot to put in a CAT3 ILS?  Planes can land in rain, and I don&#039;t recall any thunder last night (at least in Chaoyang).  Why they have so many problems with an airport without any crossing runways is beyond me, but they should send some observers to O&#039;Hare to see how to handle traffic.  I think it all goes back to &#039;flow&#039; that seems to be so mysterious here with car drivers and people walking on sidewalks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha! New airport and I guess they forgot to put in a CAT3 ILS?  Planes can land in rain, and I don&#8217;t recall any thunder last night (at least in Chaoyang).  Why they have so many problems with an airport without any crossing runways is beyond me, but they should send some observers to O&#8217;Hare to see how to handle traffic.  I think it all goes back to &#8216;flow&#8217; that seems to be so mysterious here with car drivers and people walking on sidewalks.</p>
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		<title>By: China &#187; Open Question: Is a White House Press Release any more truthful, honest or forthright?</title>
		<link>http://www.cdrum.com/2008/07/01/beijing-weather-getting-annoying/comment-page-1/#comment-7419</link>
		<dc:creator>China &#187; Open Question: Is a White House Press Release any more truthful, honest or forthright?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 06:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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